Say More - Staying in Hard Conversations with Tig Notaro & Stephanie Allynne

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This episode was recorded before October 7th and before the escalation of the intractable conflict in the Middle East. Conflict and disagreement are unavoidable in any relationship. So when Tig Notaro and Stephanie Allynne came to Esther with a question, she was ready for them. They wanted to talk about the divide in the world (politically and socially) and how that divide can turn families, friends, and loved ones against each other. Esther believes that while people can hold contradictions and multiples, and may even think radically differently from you, they can still care for and love you. And what we lack often are the tools to deal with these conflicts and differences in values or political opinions. Listen in on this Apple Subscriber bonus as Tig and Stephanie talk to Esther about how we can learn to stay in hard conversations when we disagree with the people we love. For even more from Esther on the topic of conflict go to To listen to Tig Notaro's podcast "Handsome" go to

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