Couples Therapy Is the Best Theater in Town

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“Welcome to my office” is often the first phrase Esther says to people, no matter how much “the office” has changed—it can take the shape of a park bench, a 2,000-seat theater, or on this podcast. This week, Esther talks to her close collaborator Mary Alice Miller about the importance of play, what makes stories so essential to us all, and why she's choosing to embark on her first ever live U.S. tour.

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For the first time on the U.S. stage, Esther invites you to an evening unlike any other. Join her as she shines a light on the cultural shifts transforming relationships and helps us rethink how we connect, how we desire—and even how we love. To find a city near you, go to

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